Gospel Message

This was recorded at the 2006 Missionary conference in Langstaff Toronto.

Micheal Browne

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Save the internet

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Count the number?

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Many people have tried to calculate the number of the beast. Using many different methods no one yet has been verifiably been able to calculate the name. Honestly when I hear of people trying to figure the name I kind of chuckle to my self. Look at what the verse says though the writer explicitly encourages them that have understanding to count the number of the beast.

A man by the name of Tim Cohen has been trying to do just that. Author of "Antichrist and a cup of tea". The way he does it is through the Cabalic numbering system.

What is the Cabalic(Gematria) numbering system? It originates from the Old Hebrew way of counting, each letter has a value that can be added up.



So why use this number system? Well the main reason is because the verse says to calculate the number of his name, how else do you calculate a number of someone’s name without using this method? Secondly the actual number is calculated in gematric.


Taken from the Greek in Rev 13:18 for 666.

χξς (refer to the chart above)
chi xi stigma
used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six. - Strongs

Heres who Tim Cohen has come up with so far.

P r i n c e
70 90 9 50 3 5
C h a r l e s
3 8 1 90 30 5 100
o f
60 6
w a l e s
0 1 30 5 100

In Gematric the total equals 666

Tim Cohen says what Hebrews chiefly call Prince Charles of Wales in the press converted into Hebrew which (3 words not 4) actually converts to 666 as well. As you have probably guessed the probability of this happening is very slim 1 in 10 to the 50 is the estimated probability. That’s a 1 with 50 zeros behind it. Tim states that Prince Charles of Wales is the only person in history to fit this number.

Tim also does a biography on Charles which seems to even further connect Prince Charles to the beast.

Heres a link to his book at Amazon.com Antichrist and a Cup of Tea (Paperback) I have not read it yet but If you are interested investigate. I might get it sometime email me and tell me what you think of it if anyone buys it.

You can watch his video here for free.

http://www.lonelantern.org/cup_of_tea_video.html

Sons of God presentation

Presented by http://www.MichaelsHeiser.com in Roswell New Mexico at the http://www.AncientofDays.net Conferences. Thanks and enjoy.

The point of view presented here is fallen angels in Genesis 6.

Terrorstorm

I bought this video off amazon a few days ago. It is a documentry by journalist Alex Jones. He runs his own radio show.

His main topics of study are the new world order, globalism, government sponsored terror, Illumianti, bohemian grove, 9/11, 7/7 bombings and that sort of stuff.

I have been watching his videos for about a year now on and off. I just started listening to his live radio show on the internet, and vistiting his main website infowars.com. His beliefs are Christian I don't know the specifics but he has said he is a Christian.

He successfully infiltrated a meeting of American elite who burn humans in effigy before a big stone owl called Moloch. Moloch was the chief deity of the Ammonites in the Old Testament. Bohemian Grove

He gathers intel from govenment documents and interviews with people who have gone public. On July 25th 2001 on his radio show he said that the government was planning to use their known CIA asset Bin Laden to commit acts of terror on WTC. You may think this is fake but, he said it on his live radio show thosands of people listen to it and he tapes all his shows in video and audio. Heres the AV. July25th,2006

Recently he has come out with a new video which was orginally released through his website and available for free on google video Terrorstorm. Just recently the video was released on Amazon.com and the video went to #17 in DVD sales rank for all DVDs.

Anyway Like I said I bought this a few days ago, I have watched it a couple times on my computer. If you wish to purchase this for around 12 bucks you can go through my link at the bottom of this post. Alex Jones said himself that he just wants people to see it thats why he released it so cheap and he even says to burn copys and give them to friends.

Terrorstorm: A History of Government Sponsored Terrorism

Who comes with the Lord?

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Parallel passages; Mark 13:26, Luke 21:27

1Th 2:19 For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?
1Th 2:20 For ye are our glory and joy.

Paul when writing to the Christian Thessalonians says “ye are our glory and joy”. In the Gospels Jesus says “Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory”. I’m not sure if Paul meant by the glory but maybe he meant the glory described in Matthew.

The Christians we know are in the clouds when the Lord Jesus comes back, but so are the angels, for the angels are stated as coming with the Lord as well

Saints

2Th 1:10 when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed.

1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

Here the Son of Man comes with Holy Angels.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory.

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

In Jude the Lord Jesus comes with holy ones.

Jud 1:14 It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his holy ones,
Jud 1:15 to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

In Zechariah

Zec 14:5 And you shall flee to the valley of my mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal. And you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

In Summary

The Lord comes with
1. Power and great glory
2. The saints
3. Holy Angels
4. Mighty Angels
5. Holy Ones

If you look at the meaning of each word you will see they are contadictory and they are similar except power and great glory.

(saint) hag'-ee-os
From ἅγος hagos (an awful thing) compare G53, [H2282]; sacred (physically pure, morally blameless or religious, ceremonially consecrated): - (most) holy (one, thing), saint.

(Angels) ang'-el-os
From ἀγγέλλω aggellō (probably derived from G71; compare G34; to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an “angel”; by implication a pastor: - angel, messenger.

As you can see by definition an angel can be a saint but not necessarily i.e. Satan’s angels are not saints. However the Angels who come with the Lord Jesus are Holy Angels and can even be called saints.

Can Christians be Angels?

Why not. We do not think of our selves as angels, or at least I don’t but in the resurrection when the saints come back there is no reason to say we can not be called angels.

The Lord himself talks about the resurrection and says those who are resurrected are as the angels of God in heaven.

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Paul says we must change and we will in a twinkling of an eye.

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

I wouldn’t rule out the possibility that the Christians of this world and the saints of the Old Testament and the angels who stayed in heaven are all after the resurrection the angels of heaven. As you can see the Bible uses these terms interchangeably when describing those who are with the Lord when he returns in the clouds, yet never uses two descriptions in conjunction which means they are likely the same. I.e. never uses Holy angels and saints in the clouds.

When speaking or writing we don't describe two things that are the same two differnt ways in conjunction. For example if I told you that I was coming to visit you on Saturday and the last day of the week that would just be confusing, because they are actually the same thing. So thats why I say that the fact that they are never described in conjunction but interchagably is because they are probably the same.

Voting and the Law

Are these verses telling us we should not vote?

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

The word power here means ex-oo-see'-ah From G1832 (in the sense of ability); privilege, that is, (subjectively) force, capacity, competency, freedom, or (objectively) mastery (concretely magistrate, superhuman, potentate, token of control), delegated influence: - authority, jurisdiction, liberty, power, right, strength.

From first glance you may think that the higher powers means people. However in the Greek the word used for power does not necessarily mean that. In fact it can be better translated rights or authority. I don't believe these are people and no I don't believe God ordaines heads of government. What I believe God ordaines is our rights our liberties the law of the land.

Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

In our system of government this likley means being subject to the law and the police. The rulers are those who enforce the higher power or the law.

Rom 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

Obey the law so you are not judged, but also for conscience sake.

Rom 13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
Rom 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

Do what is required as a citizen giving to whom you must according to the law.

So can we vote?

I believe from these verse God has ordained us the power to vote. The liberties of our land allow us to vote, so I believe it is our God given right to vote or not to vote whatever you wish. There may be other places in scripture that tell us not to vote but from these passages I don't believe we should or should not vote. In a democracy there is no single person who rules over everyone, for our leaders are meant to be servants who themselves are subject to the higher powers or the law.

When Paul says Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers, I don’t believe he means to be subject to President Bush or Harper or your local rep. According to the context and Greek definitions I believe it simply means the highest laws of your area.

If you still don’t think the word powers mean what I said it does.

Here is every place in scripture where this Greek word appears. KJV often translates it power but if you read the verses, right or liberty could be used just as well, and sometimes the KJV chooses to translate this word that way.

exousia

Total KJV Occurrences: 103
power, 61
Mat_9:6, Mat_9:8, Mat_10:1, Mat_28:18, Mar_2:10, Mar_3:15, Mar_6:7, Luk_4:6, Luk_4:32, Luk_5:24, Luk_10:19, Luk_12:5, Luk_22:53, Joh_1:12, Joh_10:18 (2), Joh_17:2, Joh_19:10-11 (3), Act_1:7, Act_5:4, Act_8:19, Act_26:18, Rom_9:21, Rom_13:1-3 (3), 1Co_7:37, 1Co_9:4-6 (3), 1Co_9:12 (2), 1Co_9:18, 1Co_11:10, 2Co_13:10, Eph_1:21, Eph_2:2, Col_1:13, Col_2:10, 2Th_3:9, Rev_2:25-26 (2), Rev_6:8, Rev_9:3 (2), Rev_9:10, Rev_9:19, Rev_11:6 (2), Rev_12:10, Rev_13:4-5 (2), Rev_13:7, Rev_13:12, Rev_14:18, Rev_16:9, Rev_17:12, Rev_18:1, Rev_20:6
authority, 28
Mat_7:29, Mat_8:9, Mat_21:23-24 (3), Mat_21:27, Mar_1:22, Mar_11:27-29 (4), Mar_13:33-34 (2), Luk_4:36, Luk_7:8, Luk_9:1, Luk_19:17, Luk_20:2 (2), Luk_20:8, Luk_20:20, Joh_5:27, Act_9:14, Act_26:10, Act_26:12, 1Co_15:24, 2Co_10:8, Rev_13:2
powers, 8
Luk_12:11, Rom_13:1 (2), Eph_3:10, Eph_6:12, Col_1:16, Col_2:15, Tit_3:1
right, 2
Heb_13:10, Rev_22:14
authorities, 1
1Pe_3:22
jurisdiction, 1
Luk_23:7
liberty, 1
1Co_8:9
strength, 1
Rev_17:13

Freedom to fascism

Just watched an interesting video called freedom to fascism. By Aaron Russo who was a producer for the music industry. He’s got a lot of money and he is really sacrificing his time and money to do something he believes in.

This video touches on the American Federal Reserve. Most people don’t realize it but the Federal Reserve is a private company and they print money illegally and for nothing. This movie goes into the fact that by law no American has to pay an income tax. The only taxes according to the constitution the government is allowed to collect are corporate or expense taxes like on gasoline cigarettes alcohol etc… A persons income is private and is there own the government has no right to take that a way from the individual. Aaron Russo talks about all these people who have been sentenced as criminals for a non-crime. The Supreme Court has stated no law that requires and American to pay taxes the only way they can get the American people to pay taxes is by force through ignorance or intimidation.

Maybe he can get Kent Hovind out of jail for not complying with the IRS.

Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

What are we supposed to do when what Ceasar wants is not Ceasars.

Here’s the video.

Freedom to Fascism

Judge or Judge not?

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

In Matthew 7 we are told not to Judge one another.
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1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Here we are told to Judge.

So what’s the difference is this a contradiction?

In Matthew 7 Jesus speaks about not judging one another on individual terms. If you read the chapter you will realize that the context is individuals judging one another.

In 1 Corinthians Paul speaks about judging as a collective group. In 1Cor5:12 he states do not ye judge them that are within? If you look who “ye” is in the context it is clearly the local Church.

1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

So the context is different and the judging is not the same. So we should not judge one another but as a collective group we can judge those in a local Church. Judging here just simply means to make a decision as to what the local Church should do with this person

Mans doctrine

If a doctrine can’t be disproved should we believe it?

There are countless doctrines that can’t be disproved with scripture, for instance the Gap theory is probably one, UFO’s in the Old Testament and countless other ones. Should we just hold onto a doctrine that has no evidence, just because we cant find any contradictions or any one who can disprove it. Any doctrine like this would be what Paul describes as unsound, and should be discarded as what the word of God teaches.

There is a new movement of false Christ’s who are totally brainwashing people using scripture with a subtle twist. This one man just adds a little bit to his doctrine from the doctrine of the apostle Paul’s writings. It’s hard to disprove but yet what he is saying is an unnecessary doctrine and needs not to be there. For the truth of scripture does not need this mans teaching, scripture as far as I can tell does not directly contradict his teaching but yet it does not support it. Again the apostle Paul would refer to this as unsound doctrine. (Titus 1:9)

The Devil did this exact same thing. Matt 4:6 He added and took away from scripture in his sayings, to fit his own desires or his own doctrine. He quoted Psalm 91:11-12 adding and taking away.

Anyone who teaches such things adding to the scriptures where they need to just to support their teachings is in serious danger (Rev 22:18). It does not need to be that the person takes the word of God and re-writes it on pen and paper. When the Devil quoted scripture he did not write it down on pen and paper he was adding to the word of God just by saying it. Many of these deceivers don’t add to the word of God by pen and paper they add it to the minds of their listeners by the words that they associate with the teachings of scripture.

I believe any one who believes something because they can’t prove it wrong, is going down a bad path a theological nightmare where anything you want can be considered the proper teaching of the word of God. Our doctrine must come from scripture, not our doctrine come from man then say well I can’t find any contradictions so it must be true.
Doctrine that comes from your parents or your local Church is mans teaching, that doesn’t mean it’s wrong but being human it very well can be. People think of stuff nearly every day that neatly fits into scripture but yet is totally unnecessary, it may not but a contradiction but it is not necessary and man made.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
So many of these false Christ’s are becoming very successful because the whole of Christendom does the exact same thing. Adding to scripture things that are unnecessary things they say can’t be contradicted but yet not supported in scripture. Then people get angry and offended when people say stuff like “I am Jesus Christ” but they can’t do anything, because of so many unscriptural beliefs we have clouded the pure word of God by our own doctrine.

Mat 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mat 15:10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

How are we ever going to defend our teachings if we rely on our tradition, the commandments of men.

I would like to turn your attention to a short story in the Bible.

Act 17:10 The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue.
Act 17:11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

Notice how the Berea’s reacted. Now look at how the Thessalonians reacted.

Act 17:12 Many of them therefore believed, with not a few Greek women of high standing as well as men.
Act 17:13 But when the Jews from Thessalonica learned that the word of God was proclaimed by Paul at Berea also, they came there too, agitating and stirring up the crowds.

I seriously believe a lot of local Churches are moving away from the Berea attitude and towards the Thessalonians way of dealing with things. How can anyone take these people seriously they just came to agitate everyone. The Thessalonians were motivated by there heart yet the Berea’s were motivated by an open mind ready to investigate truth, they questioned Paul to see if what he said was true. There’s no mention of Paul being offended by the Berea’s questioning but notice as soon as the Thessalonians showed up he left.

Here’s link to that false Christ site.

http://www.cegenglish.com/

911 Truth movement.

I have watched a lot of documentaries on 9/11. I found this really good one. It is not so saturated with facts that the casual viewer won’t understand; it has very concise and clear documentation of how the Bush admin reacted to the 9/11 attacks. You can really see how they were reluctant to investigate.

100 Billion dollars spent on the Bill Clinton scandal but initially only 3 million spent on the 9/11 investigations.

4 women (the Jersey girls) have been asking the questions the major news medias won’t address. All 4 lost a family member in the September 11 tragedy, not being able to sleep and full of questions each one turned to researching to try and find answers. They noticed that the government was not doing much to investigate. Starved for clear and complete answers they made their issue public demanding an investigation of 9/11 attacks.

I really commend these people for asking these questions. It’s absolutely vital that people all over the world be critical of the government challenging them and praying for them.

Time and time again throughout history governments have turned on their people. We owe it to our families to expose these questions and get this out there. I’m not saying to get all political and worldly but I don’t think it is right that we just sit back and let the next Hitler take over, brainwashing and enslaving the masses. If we all just talk to our friends and family about this potential danger then we can help prevent the mindset of dependence on our government. 60 years ago if every German did this simple thing then it would have been very hard for a propaganda machine like the Nazi party to ruin so many lives.

Ok here is the documentary.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=3865048042993700360

Holy Ghost, Holy Spirit the COMFORTER

Holy Ghost the guide…

Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

The Holy Ghost is a guide to those of faith.

Holy Ghost the Comforter…

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Act 9:31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

The word Comforter here means
par-ak'-lay-tos
An intercessor, consoler: - advocate, comforter.

Holy Ghost brings hope…

Rom 15:13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

Eph 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Holy Ghost teaches…

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Holy Ghost separate a religion.

The Holy Ghost really separates Christianity from any other belief.

I believe every religion and belief in the world besides Christianity is blind faith because of this one fact. As great as the Holy Bible is as a book, how would we know if it’s true or not if we did not have a guide something within us that confirms it?

Heb 10:15 whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

Rom 15:13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

The dimensions of thought

The way I think about it is as a constant court session for your consciousness.

Three dimensions that affect your decisions and beliefs.

Your intellect,
Your emotions,
Then the spiritual world,

In the world some people believe things based on their intellect, which is one method but we are so limited and stupid, we are easily deceived by our intellect.

Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.

Our emotions, I think a lot of religious people believe what they believe for this reason, they lean on their feelings to guide them.

Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?

Some people lean to the spiritual side and are not Christian, which can be very dangerous. There are many forces at work in this world, which is where the most evil acts come from.

Eph 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

For the Christian we should walk in the Holy Spirit.

1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he
that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Use our intellect but don’t lean on it, for a source of truth and probably stay away from trusting your feelings. If you think about it your feelings is like the spirit of the flesh, we should stay away from trusting it unless anyone can find some verses that state otherwise.

Jeremiah doesn’t have anything good to say about it.

Georgia Guidestones

Some one by the pseudonym R.C. CHRISTIAN came into this town Elberton in Elbert County Georgia and asked to erect these stones. He wanted to pay for them through an anonymous bank account but since that is illegal in Georgia state, he made the businessman swore on a Bible that he would not reveal his true identity. Astronomers were hired to come in and help align the stones so that in the summer solstice the light would shine through the stones at just the right angles, for what reason I don't know.

There has been some reported occult activity there. Especially on special astronomical dates like the aligning of the planets.

The name R.C. CHRISTIAN

Christian Rosenkreuz (1378 - 1484), English Christian [of the] Rose Cross, is the legendary founder of the Rosicrucian Order (Order of the Rose Cross), presented in the three Manifestos published in the early 17th century

Rosicrucians tell an alternative story about the life and times of Jesus Christ, one that differs dramatically from the story told by the Catholics and other organized religions, a story that glorifies women.



Is it a coincidence this guy would choose such a pseydonym.

Here are the “10 commandments” on the stones.

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
Guide reproduction wisely—improving fitness and diversity.
Unite humanity with a living new language.
Rule passion—faith—tradition—and all things with tempered reason.
Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
Balance personal rights with social duties.
Prize truth—beauty—love—seeking harmony with the infinite.
Be not a cancer on the earth—Leave room for nature—Leave room for nature.

For more info you can check it out at wikipedia or do a search for Georgia Guidestones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

Post trib problems

This is another article from Thomas Ice that I will comment. His writing is in Italics and can be found at http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=6

I know I have being writing quite a bit on articles from Thomas Ice. Just to let everyone know I don't have anything against Thomas Ice in fact I like him. He's a good writer and seems to put a lot of effort into his work. This is a good thing if he is searching truth in scripture.

Ok here we go.

POST-TRIB PROBLEMS

One of the strengths of the pre-trib position is that it is best able to harmonize the many events of end-time prophecy because of its distinction between the rapture and the second coming. Normally, posttribulationists do not even attempt to answers such objections and the few that try struggle with the biblical text putting forth stained interpretations. Yet, pretribulationists do not encounter difficulties in providing answers. What are some post-trib problems?

First, posttribulationism requires that the church will be present during the 70th week of Daniel (Dan. 9:24-27) even though it was absent from the first 69. This is in spite of the fact that Daniel 9:24 says that all 70 weeks are for Israel. Pretribulationism is not in conflict with this passage, as is posttribulationism, since the church departs before the beginning of the seven-year period.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city…

In the verse “thy people” you may think this is exclusively the nation of Israel but really there’s no proof that this does not include the Church. Neither does this mean the Church is exempt from this period. The previous 69 weeks the Church is exempt from this because the Lord Jesus Christ did not sacrifice his life yet. I say the Church didn’t exist yet but that’s because the word was not used in Hebrew, in fact the meaning of the word Church did exist, in Hebrew. See the word Church in the KJV is translated from the Greek word…

ek-klay-see'-ah
From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both): - assembly, church.
From Church in Matt 16:18.

When the Septuagint was written in about 200BC the same Greek word to describe the Church ek-klay-see'-ah was used in the Old Testament to describe the assembly of the nation of Israel.

Dispensationalists believe that things are very black and white between the Church and the Nation of Israel, however I believe the Nation of Israel simply includes the Church as we call it. Not in flesh and blood but in a spiritual way.

Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

I am not saying the Church and Israel is the same thing at this point but you can’t just automatically assume everything has to be separated into dispensations, especially those things future.

Second, posttribulationism must deny the New Testament teaching of imminency-that Christ could come at any-moment. Pretribulationism does not have a problem with these New Testament passages, since they believe that no signs must precede the rapture.

I did an article on immanency earlier and I found there are no explicit passages that force the issue of an imminent rapture. Sure imminent and approaching may sound similar but they are not.

Third, premillennial posttribulationism has no answer to their problem of who will populate the millennium if the rapture and second coming occur at the same time. Since all believers will be translated at the rapture and all unbelievers judged, because no unrighteous shall be allowed to enter Christ's kingdom, then no one would be left in mortal bodies to start the population base for the millennium. The pre-trib viewpoint does not have a problem at this point.

Again it’s not that black and white; there are different “groups” who are saved. Its true everyone is judged. (2Ti 4:1) However the 144,000 of the nation of Israel stay on the earth and get the seal of God in their foreheads. (Rev 7:1-8) Then there are the sheep of the nations in Matt 25. So I disagree with this. “then no one would be left in mortal bodies to start the population base for the millennium”.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

…because no unrighteous shall be allowed to enter Christ's kingdom, then no one would be left in mortal bodies to start the population base for the millennium.
As you can see when the Lord comes back to earth with his holy angels, there will be a time of Judgment and there will be separate a groups of people who actually inherit the kingdom (Matt 25:34). These people are left to “…inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:”

Fourth, posttribulationism is not able to explain the sheep and goats judgment after the second coming in Matthew 25:31-46. As in the previous problem, how would there be any believers in mortal bodies, if they were raptured at the second coming, who would be available to enter into Christ's kingdom? Pretribulationism does not have such a problem.

I think the real problem is not with pre-trib concept in this perticular passage but with the idea of the Second Advent being at the end of the 7-year covenant.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

As you can see when the Lord Jesus comes back to earth he Judges the people and he sets the goats on his left hand and a sheep on his right hand.
Yet there is a problem. Notice how these events are very similar.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Dan 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

The Lord destroys the beast at his coming.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
After the Lords coming there is a season and time where certain people have there lives prolonged. The lawless one does not have his life pro-longed. If you notice the description in Matt 25 of the goats, the anti-christ would fit into this category as well as the false prophet (Rev 19:20) as a goat. So why is it that the rest of the Beasts have there life pro-longed for a season and time, what is the point of this? I believe there must be some middle ground where people can pass through this immediate judgment without any verdict if you will. I am not saying these people are innocent or anything like that. The reason I believe they are exempt from any judgment is because of the grounds on which the judgment is being issued. Remember this is not the Great white throne.

Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

There must be people who were indifferent of the whole matter, perhaps they really believed in world peace or something and never wanted to harm anyone. That’s just a wild guess but you can’t deny this period where these lives actually live past this initial Judgment.

So the question is raised what happens in this time? I believe it is the day of the Lord the period of wrath. This happens after the Lords advent and before the millennial reign.

Rev 6:16,17 Isa 13:9 Joe 2:1 Jer 46:10 Zep 1:18 Rev 19:15-17

Most of the readers probably believe the Son of man will come at an unknown hour it’s an explicit teaching of scripture (Matt 24:36). A thing to note is the time in which these Beasts have there life prolonged in Dan 7:12 “Season and time”. It’s interesting to note that Season simply means duration of time. Time means technically a year.

Fifth, since Revelation 19:7-8 indicates that the church, Christ's Bride, is made ready to accompany Christ to earth (Rev. 19:14) before the second coming, how could this reasonably happen if part of the church is still on earth awaiting Christ's Advent? If the rapture of the church takes place at the second coming, then how does the Bride (i.e., the church) also come with Christ at His return? There would not be sufficient time for this to happen within a posttribulational sequence, but the pre-trib position has no such problem.

Time is no issue as Paul states.

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

I don’t believe that Paul means the last trumpet in the book of Revelation. Simply because Paul states many times in 1 Thessalonians, ie.1Th 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

More evidence of this period of wrath concerning the 144,000.

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

The nation of Israel gets the seal in there forehead at the Lords coming. How do we explain this being before the Lords coming in "glory"? Could this possibly fit into the period of tribulation? Read Matthew 24 notice how the Lord Jesus did not mention anything like this in what he descibes as tribulation.

Doctrine

What is doctrine?

The Greek word used in the Bible for Doctrine states this.

did-akh-ay'
From G1321; instruction (the act or the matter): - doctrine, hath been taught.

Doctrine, from Latin doctrina (compare doctor), means "a code of beliefs", "a body of teachings" or "instructions", taught principles or positions, as the body of teachings in a branch of knowledge or belief system. –Wikipedia

The Lord Jesus and his doctrine.

Mat 7:28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
Mat 7:29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

Apostles Doctrine.

Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Sound Doctrine.

Tit 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

What does it mean to have sound doctrine?

The word sound used in the Greek is.

hoog-ee-ah'ee-no
From G5199; to have sound health, that is, be well (in body); figuratively to be uncorrupt (true in doctrine): - be in health, (be safe and) sound, (be) whole (-some).

Health - In any organism, health is the ability to efficiently respond to challenges (stressors) and effectively restore and sustain a "state of balance," known as homeostasis

homoios (same, like, resembling) and stasis (to stand, posture). -Wikipedia

I know this is a mediacal definition but the same is true for health in any application including doctrine.

So with the definition of sound doctrine in mind what tests does doctrine have to be able to withstand in order to be sound?

a. For one it needs to be able to withstand the healthy test. Sound doctrine would have to be able to withstand attacks or criticism and be able to restore or sustain itself. If not then the doctrine is unsound. This is why it is important that people be very critical of doctrine, otherwise will get sick unsound doctrine that corrupts our minds and those around us. Is this not self evident today with cults inreasing daily.

b. Sound doctrine has to pass the uncorrupt test, it has to be honest. If a person teaches something they don’t belive then that is unsound doctrine. As well as hypocritical.

c. Whole - including all components without exception; being one unit or constituting the full amount or extent or duration; complete; - Answers.com Sound doctrine has to be whole, encompassing all parts which all come together to make up one doctrine.

Tit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

Dead to sin or dead to righteousness?

Free of sin or free of righteousness?

Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Rom 6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Before a sinner repents and becomes saved by the grace of God they cannot do anything good that God would credit a soul for. Yet when one is saved it becomes the opposite all sin is burned up and all that is left is the righteous acts one has done.

So many supposed Christian religions seem to miss this very important point.

Multiple advents of the Lord?

The following is another article from Thomas Ice

I italicized his words Ill reply in regular text. http://www.pre-trib.org

In an attempt to equate Matthew 24:31 and 1 Thessalonians 4:17 as referring to the same event, Dr. Gundry notes "parallel terminology in Paul's Thessalonian discussion of the Church's rapture, where we read of a trumpet, clouds, and a gathering of believers just as in the Olivet Discourse."[5] Indeed, there are some similarities between the rapture and the second coming. There are also some similarities between Christ's first advent 2,000 years ago and His second advent. But they are not the same events. We know they are not the same because of the differences. It is the differences that are important when comparing Matthew 24:31 and 1 Thessalonians 4:17. Enough differences exist between the two passages to clearly conclude that they must be separate events.

The amount of differences in explanation doesn’t mean two different people are talking about two different things. What the reader has to look for is contradictions. Does any two explanations of an event contradict each other?

I.e. there are a lot of different ways to describe apples, any one explanation could be way different from another but it’s possible all could be describing the same apple. One person may go into fine detail and say the apple is rounded juicy has a stem thin skin over the outside and so on. Then another person may just say it tastes good. These two people have very different explanations to describe the same thing and yet they don’t contradict each other. Shouldn’t we take this same logic when studying scripture?

Dr. Steven McAvoy notes that "the differences between Paul's Thessalonian statements and Matthew 24:30-31 far outweigh any alleged similarities."[6] He says:
Sproule asks,
Where does Paul mention the darkening of the sun (Matt. 24:29), the moon not giving its light (Matt. 24:29), the stars falling from the sky (Matt. 24:29), the powers of the heavens being shaken (Matt. 24:29), all the tribes of the earth mourning (Matt. 24:30), all the world seeing the coming of the Son of Man (Matt. 24:30), or God sending forth angels (Matt. 24:31)?[7]

Just because Paul chose not to describe everything in these chosen passages doesn’t prove that his description contradicts those in Matthew. Nor does it mean they are different events.

Feinberg also notes the dissimilarities between the two accounts:
Notice what happens when you examine both passages carefully. In Matthew the Son of Man comes on the clouds, while in 1 Thessalonians 4 the ascending believers are in them.

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:
Mat 24:30 … and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

I don’t understand how these events contradict each other.

In Matthew the angels gather the elect; in 1 Thessalonians the Lord Himself (note the emphasis) gathers the believers.

The elect are those who are gathered of the nation of Israel not the same as the Christians.

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Thessalonians only speaks of the voice of the archangel. In the Olivet Discourse nothing is said about a resurrection, while in the latter text it is the central point. In the two passages the differences in what will take place prior to the appearance of Christ is striking. Moreover, the order of ascent is absent from Matthew in spite of the fact that it is the central part of the epistle.[8] [9]

Maybe striking but not contradictory.

In addition to the above differences, the order of events are different between the two passages. In 1 Thessalonians 4 believers are gathered in the air and taken to heaven, while in Matthew 24 they are gathered after Christ's arrival to earth. "In order for Gundry to establish his view that Matthew 24:31 refers to the rapture, he must reconcile the dissimilarities; not simple point to a few similarities."[10] Thus, the differences in the two passages support the contention that they speak of two distinct events.

The nation of Israel repent at the Lords coming and are saved they are not caught up into the air to be with the lord.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Isaiah 53 I believe is the prophecy of the nation repenting.

Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

In conclusion: There may be many differences of how this event is described in scripture but I have not come across any contradictions that would allow me to believe in multiple advents. God bless.

Imminency contemplated

The following article is by a man named Thomas Ice.

His article can be found at http://www.according2prophecy.org/perhaps.html

The following article is on the teaching of the imminent return of Christ. Since I don’t believe this is true I feel obligated to state why. I will reply to each verse stated below and how I interpret them. I hope this will be a blessing to all who read. I hope this will help all readers perhaps this will force some to rethink there teachings perhaps others this will help strenthen there teaching. Regardless of your point of view or your point of view after reading this I believe this will be some help with your teaching.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

1) An imminent event is one which is always "hanging overhead, is constantly ready to befall or overtake one; close at hand in its incidence." ("imminent," The Oxford English Dictionary, 1901, V, 66.)

IMMINENCY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

The fact that Christ could return, but may not soon, at any moment, yet without the necessity of signs preceeding His return requires the kind of imminence taught by the pre-trib position and is a strong support for pretribulationism.
What New Testament passages teach this truth? Those verses stating that Christ could return at any moment, without warning and those instructing believers to wait and look for the Lord's coming teach the doctrine of imminence. Note the following New Testament passages:

1 Corinthians 1:7-"awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,"

In this verse awaiting simply means to expect fully, this doesn’t have anything to do with imminence. A person can expect someone to come have lunch with them but that doesn’t mean that at breakfast time it is imminent.

1 Corinthians 16:22-"Maranatha."

Again as far as I know this word means the Lord will come but has nothing to do with imminence.

Philippians 3:20-"For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;"

Again this is the same Greek word as used in 1 Corinthians 1:7 which means to expect fully.

Philippians 4:5-"The Lord is near."

Ok this is a tricky one of the reasons is that in the King James Version at hand is used many times to describe several Greek words. The actual word here in Greek is eng-goos, which simply means near or ready. Now ready sounds somewhat like imminent I agree but these are definitions found in young’s.

Lets look at other Greek word, which is particularly used to describe imminence. en-is'-tay-mee to place on hand, that is, (reflexively) impend, (participle) be instant: - come, be at hand, present. Look at that definition it is clearly the word used to describe imminence. It doesn’t make any sense for a writer wishing to express imminence to use such a word as eng-goos as opposed to en-is'-tay-mee .

1 Thessalonians 1:10-"to wait for His Son from heaven,"

Again what does waiting have to do with imminence? Some people wait for 5 o’clock to roll around doesn’t have anything to do with imminence.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-18-"For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, and remain until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of {the} archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words."

Beautiful verse but is not stated as imminent in these passages.

1 Thessalonians 5:6-"so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober."

Watching being alert doesn’t mean anything is imminent. You can watch a person driving down the road towards you but that doesn’t mean there approach is imminent. Remember there has to be potentially no time between you and that object which is imminent. In this case the time the car takes to drive the rest of the distance to you prevents that car from being imminent.

1 Timothy 6:14-"that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,"

This verse is irrelevant to justification of the teaching of an imminent return of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Titus 2:13-"looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus;"

Again looking for something doesn’t mean it’s imminent.

Hebrews 9:28-"so Christ . . . shall appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him."

You can wait for something that is not imminent think of a bus train or air plane people wait for these all the time doesn’t mean there arrival is imminent.

James 5:7-9-"Be patient, therefore, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. . . . for the coming of the Lord is at hand. . . . behold, the Judge is standing right at the door."

Again at hand appears often in the New Testament but actually encompasses 3 or 4 Greek words which all have different meaning. Here the Greek word does not mean imminence. eng-id'-zo make near, that is, (reflexively) approach: - approach, be at hand, come (draw) near, be (come, draw) nigh.

1 Peter 1:13 -"fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ."

Good verse.

Jude 21-"waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life."

Revelation 3:11; 22:7, 12, 20-"'I am coming quickly!'"

takh-oo' -shortly, that is, without delay, soon, or (by surprise) suddenly, or (by implication of ease) readily: - lightly, quickly.

At first glance you may be quite convinced this word means imminent. First look at the word delay what does that really mean. Delay - The interval of time between two events.

Now take the word takh-oo’ this word is an adverb, simply put it describes an action word. The action it is describing is coming. The way the verse is structured the quickly part is describing the action of the Lords coming.

Just to give you an analogy of what I am trying to say here. Think of lightning and the nature of it. You may say lighten is sudden and it seems to happen without delay, however are lightning storms imminent? No there not, they can be if the conditions are right but on a sunny day it would be invalid to say a lightning storm is imminent. However on a sunny day you could make a statement “lightning comes quickly” and that would be true.

Revelation 22:17, 20-"And the Spirit and the bride say, 'Come.' And let the one who hears say, 'Come.'"

"He who testifies to these things says, 'Yes, I am coming quickly.' Amen. Come, Lord Jesus."

Here are some verses that are fundamental to my point of view.

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

“at hand” - en-is'-tay-mee -to place on hand, that is, (reflexively) impend, (participle) be instant: - come, be at hand, present.

Look up the word impend it is a synonym for imminent.

I know how some people say that the day of Christ is different and doesn’t apply to the rapture but I am not going to get into that.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

The Lord Jesus when speaking of his coming says to watch for signs. Directly corresponding with all the verses quoted above which all speak of the Lords coming as approaching.

Heb 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
Heb 10:37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Again all these verses I believe mean approaching as well as most of the verses above that were quoted. I can see how people get imminence and approaching mixed up because in the King James Version most of the time words that mean approaching and imminent are translated to at hand the same word. Not only that but it's easy to get mixed up and think something that is approaching fast is imminent. However for something to be imminent there has to be no time between it and the perticular outcome.

7 Year tribulation or 7 year covenant?

7-year tribulation or 7 year covenant?

After studying into the 7-year tribulation I realized something. There is no such thing as a 7-year tribulation in scripture. What we refer to, as a 7-year tribulation is really the 7-year covenant. The period of tribulation is stated in scripture but never as a 7-year period.

First of all Ill explain the 7-year covenant.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Again this is Daniels 70 week prophecy. As you can see the doctrine of the 7-year covenant comes from this verse “he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week”. A week here literally means 7 in the Hebrew, which is believed to be years because the other events in this prophecy work out to be years (360 days is a year in the Old testament). This period is split in half, which equals 42 months or a time times and a half time. This is often referred to in the New Testament as well as throughout Daniel. You may be wondering why time is a year? The reason is again the original meaning of the Hebrew word substituted for time in the King James Version is literally a year.

Where does the 7-year tribulation come from?

The 7-year tribulation is not an explicit teaching of scripture. In fact it’s quite complex and its going to take some effort to explain it. Now I don’t actually believe this although I have read several books and articles on it and this is the accumulated understanding I have come appreciate.

The 7 year tribulation does come from the 7 year covenant in Daniel 9:27. The doctrine is that the 70-week period ended at week 69 when the messiah was cut off. Then the dispensation of the Church begins, however there is one week left in the prophecy that has yet to be fulfilled. This is supposedly for the nation of Israel and the remaining Church has nothing to do with it.

For the actual word tribulation we turn to Matthew 24.

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

That’s how we know that the Lord Jesus is speaking specifically about the 7 year covenant period because he talks specifically of an event that happens right in the middle of it.
Then we read of Great tribulation after this event at mid-7 year covenant.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Ok so why the whole event is thought to be tribulation is stated in the following verses.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Some theologians had the idea basically based on notions of how Daniel is to be interpreted that the Son of Man comes at the end of the 7-year covenant and therefore the 7-year covenant and the Tribulation are synonymous.

Why I believe the 7-year covenant is scriptural as opposed to 7-year tribulation.

I can’t find any basis for these assumptions anywhere in scripture. In fact every place I have studied the coming of the Son of Man or the Lord Jesus Christ the Lord clearly comes before the end of this particular 7-year period.

I have read several books of people who believe this doctrine. One thing I haven’t seen any one explain is what the Lord Jesus Christ means in his mount Olivet discourse when he says.

For context
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Cutting Short
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

What are those days?

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Well if those days has anything to do with what the Lord Jesus was speaking about in this chapter then we would have to conclude that “those days” are the days of tribulation and great tribulation.

Shortened from what?

As already stated in scripture at the time of The Lords Mount Olivet discourse, and specifically referred to in this Chapter the 7 year covenant or one week covenant was already established so the only thing to dock from is the 7 year covenant.

So if the tribulation is really 7 years then why would the Lord Jesus say those days are cut short?

Looking at Daniel 7

Daniel 7:10-14

Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Dan 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
7-year covenant
My first objective is to explain what time frame these events entail. In Daniel 9:27 we read of a 7 week covenant, in Hebrew the word used here for week literally means a 7 which can refer to 7 days 7 years etc…
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Notice here the prince is not capitalized meaning not deity or not God in other words..
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
This is the last event to happen in Daniels 70 week prophecy. This prince here is believed to be the lawless one or as John states in his epistles the antichrist, which in turn is the beast. It’s not my intention to get into a deep explanation as to why, perhaps another paper.
The reason I believe that the writings contained here in Daniel are during the 7-year covenant or as some state the 7 year tribulation are basic.
One the Judgment is set, we don’t ever read of a judgment prior to the 7-year covenant.
Two this can’t be the great white throne because no ones life is prolonged for a season and time after that. Rev 20.
Three the Son of man comes in the clouds of heaven. When the Lord Jesus was on earth he said this…

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

That’s why I believe these events stated in Daniel 7 are clearly within the 7 year covenant.

The Son of man Judges at his coming.

This is a recurring theme throughout the New Testament.

Matthew 25 we read of the details as to how people are judged at the Lords coming.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

The Lord Jesus slays the beast

Again this is stated in the New Testament as well.

2Th 2:8 and then shall be revealed the Lawless One, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the manifestation of his presence,
2Th 2:9 him, whose presence is according to the working of the Adversary, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders, - YLT

Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


The Son of man comes before the end of the 7-year covenant?
If you read these verses carefully you will notice that something happens after the Son of man comes.

Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Even after the beast is slain the rest of these kings or beasts have their life prolonged for a season and time. A season in the Hebrew is defined as a “period of time” and time is defined as year. So these beasts have there lives prolonged for a period of time unknown and a year.

If these beasts had there lives prolonged then how is it possible that the Son of man could come at the end of this 7-year covenant. After the 7-year covenant is the millennial reign. There does need to be a season and time before this to allow the prolonging of life given to these kings.

Now if my understanding of these verses is true it should fit into scripture.
The shorting of the 7-year covenant is reiterated in Matthew.

Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Knowing that the beast is slain a season and time before the end of the 7 year covenant. We can come to the conclusion that other places in scripture where the beast is slain will include the same time frame.

Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

I believe here that this period is often mistaken as being at the end of the 7 year covenant. However this period is just another way of explaining the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ or the Son of Man and will happen a season and time before the end of the 7-year period. The events here in Revelation may seem a lot different, but the same thing happens as when the son of man is described as coming in glory other times in scripture, he takes the beast and throws him into the lake of fire. Therefore I infer that Revelation 19 is the coming of the Son of man.

Dominion taken.
The Dominion of this world is taken from men and given to the Lord.
Dan 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall
judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a
kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to
other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it
shall stand for ever.

Dan 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain
without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

House of the LORD

I think the House of the Lord accuratly describes the Church.

2Sa 7:4 And it came to pass that night, that the word of the LORD came unto Nathan, saying,
2Sa 7:5 Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the LORD, Shalt thou build me an house for me to dwell in?
2Sa 7:6 Whereas I have not dwelt in any house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle.

We know that is not true today.

Mat 18:2 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

2Sa 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

Jesus the son of David

2Sa 7:13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

The Church

2Sa 7:14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

The LORD will be the father of the Church

2Sa 7:15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.

Infinite Grace

2Sa 7:16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.

Eternal security

2Sa 7:17 According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.

2Sa 7:18 Then went king David in, and sat before the LORD, and he said, Who am I, O Lord GOD? and what is my house, that thou hast brought me hitherto?

David did not understand what this house would be.

Tradition and propaganda.

1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

I don’t like the KJV translation of the Greek word “dok-im-ad-zo”(Prove). I think perhaps test or approve is more fitting here. This is Strongs definition of the Greek word for prove.

δοκιμάζω
dokimazo
dok-im-ad'-zo
From G1384; to test (literally or figuratively); by implication to approve: - allow, discern, examine, X like, (ap-) prove, try.

With that in mind I want to go into belief, and why people practice and believe something. I’m going to get into propaganda a little bit, again here’s the definition I use, just so we are on the same understanding when I use that word.

The method of propaganda is essential to the word's meaning as well. A message
does not have to be untrue to qualify as propaganda. In fact, the message in
modern propaganda is often not blatantly untrue. But even if the message conveys
only "true" information, it will generally contain partisan bias and fail to
present a complete and balanced consideration of the issue. Another common
characteristic of propaganda is volume (in the sense of a large amount). For
example, a propagandist may seek to influence opinion by attempting to get a
message heard in as many places as possible, and as often as possible. The
intention of this approach is to a) reinforce an idea through repetition, and b)
exclude or "drown out" any alternative ideas. – Wikipedia

Ok with that in mind, you can see that pretty much everything is propaganda. However the definition I use doesn’t have a negative connotation like the typical use of propaganda. So when I use the word propaganda to define something good even a blessing don’t think that I am using the word in a negative way.

Propaganda is everywhere it influences the masses, from our beliefs to the way we dress is all propaganda and often the result of propaganda. What some may call worldly is propaganda often influencing the very manner of life of people in the world. Most of this propaganda is bad. Why? Because it is often untrue, and at large portraying a left wing (irreligious) view point, people take this propaganda in large amounts and add it all up as one big fact built on a lot of tiny lies and partisan bias. The same is true for right wing religious propaganda it can be as equally bad. I’m not saying all propaganda is bad but when you generally only get one viewpoint it tends to influence your belief and sense of security and makes you turn your head and focus on one perspective not even knowing what is going on behind you.

Sources of propaganda, television, radio, movies, signs, behavior, pictures, family, religion, books, dress everything you hear and see. Again not all propaganda is bad some may be a blessing.

The way someone dresses is a good example. For instance people associate certain dress styles with certain people, this is simply based on propaganda or stereotypes. If all your friends and family who are good people all wore a bow tie, and you always wore one too. One day one of your friends came to work or school with just a normal tie.
Hey what’s with tie guy, who does he think he is some sort of rebel wearing one of those long floppy ties, look its blowing in the wind, often on his shoulder. What a dumb looking thing its all-long and silly looking. By this time the tie guy would probably feel quite out of place. Really though what is the reason? Their really isn’t anything wrong with wearing a tie, its just that after time through tradition and family influence these people have become comfortable with a bow tie. You could say at this point the bow-tie people have turned the bow tie, something very trivial into a religious emblem or tradition. They have basically come to the point where the bow tie holds some sort of moral significance.

You have to be aware of these influencing messages. You have to test the propaganda to see if it’s true. If you are not willing to test it then don’t hold on to it like it’s some sort of reality or that it holds some moral or spiritual weight. The Bible doesn’t tell someone to believe what his or her parents believe, or what the world believes, or to believe what your friends or mentors believe. Influence from your friends your associates your religion the world can all lead to a false sense of security.

Some people like to use melodramatics irrelevant statistics or just plain repeating of “fact” to try and influence their point of view. The sad thing is people fall for it thinking some how that any other viewpoint is immoral or just plain wrong with out testing the facts.

Why do I think this is important? The Bible says to test all things hold fast to that which is good.

1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Propaganda is often half true or bias. Testing all things and holding fast that which is good, is a very good way to defend ones self from influence of bad propaganda. By not doing this, you’re only leading your self to cults, traditions, false religions, myths, false sense of reality, persecution and just plain ignorance.

Ask questions and if you can’t get a good answer then you should start testing further.

Truth does not fear questions.

The Three Dimensions of light

A believer’s light

1Jo 1:7 but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hid.
Mat 5:15 Neither do men light a lamp, and put it under the bushel, but on the stand; and it shineth unto all that are in the house.

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, that ye may show forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Luk 11:34 The lamp of thy body is thine eye: when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when it is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.

Rom 2:19 and art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them that are in darkness,

Act 26:23 how that the Christ must suffer, and how that he first by the resurrection of the dead should proclaim light both to the people and to the Gentiles.


So what is light and what does it do?

Light divides the darkness.

Light reveals things that normally cannot be seen.

The three basic dimensions of light are:

Intensity, Frequency, Polarization



Dimensions of light relative to the Believer.

Intensity of light is directly related to the brightness. The brighter the light the harder it is to ignore the harder it is to cover up and the farther it reaches. The more intense the Christian the farther the gospel will reach. Just thinking of Paul and how intense he was and you can see how many people he affected, and how hard it would have been for people to ignore him.

Frequency of light is perceived as the color. The frequency doesn’t change the brightness just the way we perceive the light. A Christian can be different but still equally bright.

Polarization is normally not perceivable by the human eye. Yet is an equal part of light. Not all things Christians do are visible, many things in a believers life are not seen yet are equally important.

Mat 6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

You can think of all these dimensions equal in one ray of light.

God is light.

Jo 1:5 And this is the message which we have heard from him and announce unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Rev 22:5 And there shall be night no more; and they need no light of lamp, neither light of sun; for the Lord God shall give them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Light can be interchangeable with truth in description of character.

Looking at the trinity.

Intensity (brightness/amplitude) of light is like the Father. The Father reveals truth indirectly. The Father sent his Son to reveal the truth to the world. By the father the Son showed his light to the world. Light is normally only visible when it reflects off something. I believe the Father is the same way his brilliance is only visible when it reflects off something else.

Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

This verse could describe the Amplitude of light quite well, you cant actually see the shape of the Light. You can only see the shape of what the amplitude reveals.

Frequency (color) of light is like the Son. The Son is like this directly visible part of light. Normally light is only visible after it reflects off something but if the frequency is just right after the light is split then the light can be directly seen. Even when the light is split up it’s still equally light all three dimensions are still present. God can normally not be seen, but under special circumstances God reveals himself as a direct ray of light. The Lord Jesus Christ is that directly visible ray of light.



Intensity and Frequency are directly related you can’t have one with out the other. You can’t look at the frequency of light without looking at the amplitude because they are in the same wave. As you can see in the diagram below.

Note: Wavelength is just the reciprocal(inverse) of frequency.



Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

1Jo 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:
Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Polarization (or angle of vibration) is not perceptible by humans under ordinary circumstances. Electromagnetic waves are three-dimensional, and it is their vector nature that gives rise to the phenomenon of polarization. This is like the Holy Ghost only revealing itself under certain circumstances. The Holy Ghost is different then the Son and Father because its role is more of a servant then an all-mighty figure. Yet the Holy Ghost is equally part of God just like polarization is equally part of light.

Luk 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness

As you can see The Lord Jesus Christ was God, he was the Trinity as a man. He was a complete ray of light. As said before he is equal with the Father and now you see he is full of the Holy Ghost.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

As you can see the Holy Ghost by nature is not revealed to us. Yet under certain circumstances as the repentance of sins, what naturally can’t be seen is now revealed through the Holy Ghost.

It's Important to note, all the dimesions of light still equal one ray of light.

All three dimensions of God are all equally part of God.