Voting and the Law

Are these verses telling us we should not vote?

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

The word power here means ex-oo-see'-ah From G1832 (in the sense of ability); privilege, that is, (subjectively) force, capacity, competency, freedom, or (objectively) mastery (concretely magistrate, superhuman, potentate, token of control), delegated influence: - authority, jurisdiction, liberty, power, right, strength.

From first glance you may think that the higher powers means people. However in the Greek the word used for power does not necessarily mean that. In fact it can be better translated rights or authority. I don't believe these are people and no I don't believe God ordaines heads of government. What I believe God ordaines is our rights our liberties the law of the land.

Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

In our system of government this likley means being subject to the law and the police. The rulers are those who enforce the higher power or the law.

Rom 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

Obey the law so you are not judged, but also for conscience sake.

Rom 13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
Rom 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

Do what is required as a citizen giving to whom you must according to the law.

So can we vote?

I believe from these verse God has ordained us the power to vote. The liberties of our land allow us to vote, so I believe it is our God given right to vote or not to vote whatever you wish. There may be other places in scripture that tell us not to vote but from these passages I don't believe we should or should not vote. In a democracy there is no single person who rules over everyone, for our leaders are meant to be servants who themselves are subject to the higher powers or the law.

When Paul says Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers, I don’t believe he means to be subject to President Bush or Harper or your local rep. According to the context and Greek definitions I believe it simply means the highest laws of your area.

If you still don’t think the word powers mean what I said it does.

Here is every place in scripture where this Greek word appears. KJV often translates it power but if you read the verses, right or liberty could be used just as well, and sometimes the KJV chooses to translate this word that way.

exousia

Total KJV Occurrences: 103
power, 61
Mat_9:6, Mat_9:8, Mat_10:1, Mat_28:18, Mar_2:10, Mar_3:15, Mar_6:7, Luk_4:6, Luk_4:32, Luk_5:24, Luk_10:19, Luk_12:5, Luk_22:53, Joh_1:12, Joh_10:18 (2), Joh_17:2, Joh_19:10-11 (3), Act_1:7, Act_5:4, Act_8:19, Act_26:18, Rom_9:21, Rom_13:1-3 (3), 1Co_7:37, 1Co_9:4-6 (3), 1Co_9:12 (2), 1Co_9:18, 1Co_11:10, 2Co_13:10, Eph_1:21, Eph_2:2, Col_1:13, Col_2:10, 2Th_3:9, Rev_2:25-26 (2), Rev_6:8, Rev_9:3 (2), Rev_9:10, Rev_9:19, Rev_11:6 (2), Rev_12:10, Rev_13:4-5 (2), Rev_13:7, Rev_13:12, Rev_14:18, Rev_16:9, Rev_17:12, Rev_18:1, Rev_20:6
authority, 28
Mat_7:29, Mat_8:9, Mat_21:23-24 (3), Mat_21:27, Mar_1:22, Mar_11:27-29 (4), Mar_13:33-34 (2), Luk_4:36, Luk_7:8, Luk_9:1, Luk_19:17, Luk_20:2 (2), Luk_20:8, Luk_20:20, Joh_5:27, Act_9:14, Act_26:10, Act_26:12, 1Co_15:24, 2Co_10:8, Rev_13:2
powers, 8
Luk_12:11, Rom_13:1 (2), Eph_3:10, Eph_6:12, Col_1:16, Col_2:15, Tit_3:1
right, 2
Heb_13:10, Rev_22:14
authorities, 1
1Pe_3:22
jurisdiction, 1
Luk_23:7
liberty, 1
1Co_8:9
strength, 1
Rev_17:13

Freedom to fascism

Just watched an interesting video called freedom to fascism. By Aaron Russo who was a producer for the music industry. He’s got a lot of money and he is really sacrificing his time and money to do something he believes in.

This video touches on the American Federal Reserve. Most people don’t realize it but the Federal Reserve is a private company and they print money illegally and for nothing. This movie goes into the fact that by law no American has to pay an income tax. The only taxes according to the constitution the government is allowed to collect are corporate or expense taxes like on gasoline cigarettes alcohol etc… A persons income is private and is there own the government has no right to take that a way from the individual. Aaron Russo talks about all these people who have been sentenced as criminals for a non-crime. The Supreme Court has stated no law that requires and American to pay taxes the only way they can get the American people to pay taxes is by force through ignorance or intimidation.

Maybe he can get Kent Hovind out of jail for not complying with the IRS.

Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

What are we supposed to do when what Ceasar wants is not Ceasars.

Here’s the video.

Freedom to Fascism

Judge or Judge not?

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

In Matthew 7 we are told not to Judge one another.
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1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Here we are told to Judge.

So what’s the difference is this a contradiction?

In Matthew 7 Jesus speaks about not judging one another on individual terms. If you read the chapter you will realize that the context is individuals judging one another.

In 1 Corinthians Paul speaks about judging as a collective group. In 1Cor5:12 he states do not ye judge them that are within? If you look who “ye” is in the context it is clearly the local Church.

1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

So the context is different and the judging is not the same. So we should not judge one another but as a collective group we can judge those in a local Church. Judging here just simply means to make a decision as to what the local Church should do with this person

Mans doctrine

If a doctrine can’t be disproved should we believe it?

There are countless doctrines that can’t be disproved with scripture, for instance the Gap theory is probably one, UFO’s in the Old Testament and countless other ones. Should we just hold onto a doctrine that has no evidence, just because we cant find any contradictions or any one who can disprove it. Any doctrine like this would be what Paul describes as unsound, and should be discarded as what the word of God teaches.

There is a new movement of false Christ’s who are totally brainwashing people using scripture with a subtle twist. This one man just adds a little bit to his doctrine from the doctrine of the apostle Paul’s writings. It’s hard to disprove but yet what he is saying is an unnecessary doctrine and needs not to be there. For the truth of scripture does not need this mans teaching, scripture as far as I can tell does not directly contradict his teaching but yet it does not support it. Again the apostle Paul would refer to this as unsound doctrine. (Titus 1:9)

The Devil did this exact same thing. Matt 4:6 He added and took away from scripture in his sayings, to fit his own desires or his own doctrine. He quoted Psalm 91:11-12 adding and taking away.

Anyone who teaches such things adding to the scriptures where they need to just to support their teachings is in serious danger (Rev 22:18). It does not need to be that the person takes the word of God and re-writes it on pen and paper. When the Devil quoted scripture he did not write it down on pen and paper he was adding to the word of God just by saying it. Many of these deceivers don’t add to the word of God by pen and paper they add it to the minds of their listeners by the words that they associate with the teachings of scripture.

I believe any one who believes something because they can’t prove it wrong, is going down a bad path a theological nightmare where anything you want can be considered the proper teaching of the word of God. Our doctrine must come from scripture, not our doctrine come from man then say well I can’t find any contradictions so it must be true.
Doctrine that comes from your parents or your local Church is mans teaching, that doesn’t mean it’s wrong but being human it very well can be. People think of stuff nearly every day that neatly fits into scripture but yet is totally unnecessary, it may not but a contradiction but it is not necessary and man made.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
So many of these false Christ’s are becoming very successful because the whole of Christendom does the exact same thing. Adding to scripture things that are unnecessary things they say can’t be contradicted but yet not supported in scripture. Then people get angry and offended when people say stuff like “I am Jesus Christ” but they can’t do anything, because of so many unscriptural beliefs we have clouded the pure word of God by our own doctrine.

Mat 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mat 15:10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

How are we ever going to defend our teachings if we rely on our tradition, the commandments of men.

I would like to turn your attention to a short story in the Bible.

Act 17:10 The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue.
Act 17:11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

Notice how the Berea’s reacted. Now look at how the Thessalonians reacted.

Act 17:12 Many of them therefore believed, with not a few Greek women of high standing as well as men.
Act 17:13 But when the Jews from Thessalonica learned that the word of God was proclaimed by Paul at Berea also, they came there too, agitating and stirring up the crowds.

I seriously believe a lot of local Churches are moving away from the Berea attitude and towards the Thessalonians way of dealing with things. How can anyone take these people seriously they just came to agitate everyone. The Thessalonians were motivated by there heart yet the Berea’s were motivated by an open mind ready to investigate truth, they questioned Paul to see if what he said was true. There’s no mention of Paul being offended by the Berea’s questioning but notice as soon as the Thessalonians showed up he left.

Here’s link to that false Christ site.

http://www.cegenglish.com/

911 Truth movement.

I have watched a lot of documentaries on 9/11. I found this really good one. It is not so saturated with facts that the casual viewer won’t understand; it has very concise and clear documentation of how the Bush admin reacted to the 9/11 attacks. You can really see how they were reluctant to investigate.

100 Billion dollars spent on the Bill Clinton scandal but initially only 3 million spent on the 9/11 investigations.

4 women (the Jersey girls) have been asking the questions the major news medias won’t address. All 4 lost a family member in the September 11 tragedy, not being able to sleep and full of questions each one turned to researching to try and find answers. They noticed that the government was not doing much to investigate. Starved for clear and complete answers they made their issue public demanding an investigation of 9/11 attacks.

I really commend these people for asking these questions. It’s absolutely vital that people all over the world be critical of the government challenging them and praying for them.

Time and time again throughout history governments have turned on their people. We owe it to our families to expose these questions and get this out there. I’m not saying to get all political and worldly but I don’t think it is right that we just sit back and let the next Hitler take over, brainwashing and enslaving the masses. If we all just talk to our friends and family about this potential danger then we can help prevent the mindset of dependence on our government. 60 years ago if every German did this simple thing then it would have been very hard for a propaganda machine like the Nazi party to ruin so many lives.

Ok here is the documentary.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=3865048042993700360

Holy Ghost, Holy Spirit the COMFORTER

Holy Ghost the guide…

Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

The Holy Ghost is a guide to those of faith.

Holy Ghost the Comforter…

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Act 9:31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

The word Comforter here means
par-ak'-lay-tos
An intercessor, consoler: - advocate, comforter.

Holy Ghost brings hope…

Rom 15:13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

Eph 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Holy Ghost teaches…

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Holy Ghost separate a religion.

The Holy Ghost really separates Christianity from any other belief.

I believe every religion and belief in the world besides Christianity is blind faith because of this one fact. As great as the Holy Bible is as a book, how would we know if it’s true or not if we did not have a guide something within us that confirms it?

Heb 10:15 whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

Rom 15:13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

The dimensions of thought

The way I think about it is as a constant court session for your consciousness.

Three dimensions that affect your decisions and beliefs.

Your intellect,
Your emotions,
Then the spiritual world,

In the world some people believe things based on their intellect, which is one method but we are so limited and stupid, we are easily deceived by our intellect.

Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.

Our emotions, I think a lot of religious people believe what they believe for this reason, they lean on their feelings to guide them.

Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?

Some people lean to the spiritual side and are not Christian, which can be very dangerous. There are many forces at work in this world, which is where the most evil acts come from.

Eph 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

For the Christian we should walk in the Holy Spirit.

1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he
that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Use our intellect but don’t lean on it, for a source of truth and probably stay away from trusting your feelings. If you think about it your feelings is like the spirit of the flesh, we should stay away from trusting it unless anyone can find some verses that state otherwise.

Jeremiah doesn’t have anything good to say about it.

Georgia Guidestones

Some one by the pseudonym R.C. CHRISTIAN came into this town Elberton in Elbert County Georgia and asked to erect these stones. He wanted to pay for them through an anonymous bank account but since that is illegal in Georgia state, he made the businessman swore on a Bible that he would not reveal his true identity. Astronomers were hired to come in and help align the stones so that in the summer solstice the light would shine through the stones at just the right angles, for what reason I don't know.

There has been some reported occult activity there. Especially on special astronomical dates like the aligning of the planets.

The name R.C. CHRISTIAN

Christian Rosenkreuz (1378 - 1484), English Christian [of the] Rose Cross, is the legendary founder of the Rosicrucian Order (Order of the Rose Cross), presented in the three Manifestos published in the early 17th century

Rosicrucians tell an alternative story about the life and times of Jesus Christ, one that differs dramatically from the story told by the Catholics and other organized religions, a story that glorifies women.



Is it a coincidence this guy would choose such a pseydonym.

Here are the “10 commandments” on the stones.

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
Guide reproduction wisely—improving fitness and diversity.
Unite humanity with a living new language.
Rule passion—faith—tradition—and all things with tempered reason.
Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
Balance personal rights with social duties.
Prize truth—beauty—love—seeking harmony with the infinite.
Be not a cancer on the earth—Leave room for nature—Leave room for nature.

For more info you can check it out at wikipedia or do a search for Georgia Guidestones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

Post trib problems

This is another article from Thomas Ice that I will comment. His writing is in Italics and can be found at http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=6

I know I have being writing quite a bit on articles from Thomas Ice. Just to let everyone know I don't have anything against Thomas Ice in fact I like him. He's a good writer and seems to put a lot of effort into his work. This is a good thing if he is searching truth in scripture.

Ok here we go.

POST-TRIB PROBLEMS

One of the strengths of the pre-trib position is that it is best able to harmonize the many events of end-time prophecy because of its distinction between the rapture and the second coming. Normally, posttribulationists do not even attempt to answers such objections and the few that try struggle with the biblical text putting forth stained interpretations. Yet, pretribulationists do not encounter difficulties in providing answers. What are some post-trib problems?

First, posttribulationism requires that the church will be present during the 70th week of Daniel (Dan. 9:24-27) even though it was absent from the first 69. This is in spite of the fact that Daniel 9:24 says that all 70 weeks are for Israel. Pretribulationism is not in conflict with this passage, as is posttribulationism, since the church departs before the beginning of the seven-year period.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city…

In the verse “thy people” you may think this is exclusively the nation of Israel but really there’s no proof that this does not include the Church. Neither does this mean the Church is exempt from this period. The previous 69 weeks the Church is exempt from this because the Lord Jesus Christ did not sacrifice his life yet. I say the Church didn’t exist yet but that’s because the word was not used in Hebrew, in fact the meaning of the word Church did exist, in Hebrew. See the word Church in the KJV is translated from the Greek word…

ek-klay-see'-ah
From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both): - assembly, church.
From Church in Matt 16:18.

When the Septuagint was written in about 200BC the same Greek word to describe the Church ek-klay-see'-ah was used in the Old Testament to describe the assembly of the nation of Israel.

Dispensationalists believe that things are very black and white between the Church and the Nation of Israel, however I believe the Nation of Israel simply includes the Church as we call it. Not in flesh and blood but in a spiritual way.

Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

I am not saying the Church and Israel is the same thing at this point but you can’t just automatically assume everything has to be separated into dispensations, especially those things future.

Second, posttribulationism must deny the New Testament teaching of imminency-that Christ could come at any-moment. Pretribulationism does not have a problem with these New Testament passages, since they believe that no signs must precede the rapture.

I did an article on immanency earlier and I found there are no explicit passages that force the issue of an imminent rapture. Sure imminent and approaching may sound similar but they are not.

Third, premillennial posttribulationism has no answer to their problem of who will populate the millennium if the rapture and second coming occur at the same time. Since all believers will be translated at the rapture and all unbelievers judged, because no unrighteous shall be allowed to enter Christ's kingdom, then no one would be left in mortal bodies to start the population base for the millennium. The pre-trib viewpoint does not have a problem at this point.

Again it’s not that black and white; there are different “groups” who are saved. Its true everyone is judged. (2Ti 4:1) However the 144,000 of the nation of Israel stay on the earth and get the seal of God in their foreheads. (Rev 7:1-8) Then there are the sheep of the nations in Matt 25. So I disagree with this. “then no one would be left in mortal bodies to start the population base for the millennium”.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

…because no unrighteous shall be allowed to enter Christ's kingdom, then no one would be left in mortal bodies to start the population base for the millennium.
As you can see when the Lord comes back to earth with his holy angels, there will be a time of Judgment and there will be separate a groups of people who actually inherit the kingdom (Matt 25:34). These people are left to “…inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:”

Fourth, posttribulationism is not able to explain the sheep and goats judgment after the second coming in Matthew 25:31-46. As in the previous problem, how would there be any believers in mortal bodies, if they were raptured at the second coming, who would be available to enter into Christ's kingdom? Pretribulationism does not have such a problem.

I think the real problem is not with pre-trib concept in this perticular passage but with the idea of the Second Advent being at the end of the 7-year covenant.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

As you can see when the Lord Jesus comes back to earth he Judges the people and he sets the goats on his left hand and a sheep on his right hand.
Yet there is a problem. Notice how these events are very similar.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Dan 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

The Lord destroys the beast at his coming.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
After the Lords coming there is a season and time where certain people have there lives prolonged. The lawless one does not have his life pro-longed. If you notice the description in Matt 25 of the goats, the anti-christ would fit into this category as well as the false prophet (Rev 19:20) as a goat. So why is it that the rest of the Beasts have there life pro-longed for a season and time, what is the point of this? I believe there must be some middle ground where people can pass through this immediate judgment without any verdict if you will. I am not saying these people are innocent or anything like that. The reason I believe they are exempt from any judgment is because of the grounds on which the judgment is being issued. Remember this is not the Great white throne.

Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

There must be people who were indifferent of the whole matter, perhaps they really believed in world peace or something and never wanted to harm anyone. That’s just a wild guess but you can’t deny this period where these lives actually live past this initial Judgment.

So the question is raised what happens in this time? I believe it is the day of the Lord the period of wrath. This happens after the Lords advent and before the millennial reign.

Rev 6:16,17 Isa 13:9 Joe 2:1 Jer 46:10 Zep 1:18 Rev 19:15-17

Most of the readers probably believe the Son of man will come at an unknown hour it’s an explicit teaching of scripture (Matt 24:36). A thing to note is the time in which these Beasts have there life prolonged in Dan 7:12 “Season and time”. It’s interesting to note that Season simply means duration of time. Time means technically a year.

Fifth, since Revelation 19:7-8 indicates that the church, Christ's Bride, is made ready to accompany Christ to earth (Rev. 19:14) before the second coming, how could this reasonably happen if part of the church is still on earth awaiting Christ's Advent? If the rapture of the church takes place at the second coming, then how does the Bride (i.e., the church) also come with Christ at His return? There would not be sufficient time for this to happen within a posttribulational sequence, but the pre-trib position has no such problem.

Time is no issue as Paul states.

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

I don’t believe that Paul means the last trumpet in the book of Revelation. Simply because Paul states many times in 1 Thessalonians, ie.1Th 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

More evidence of this period of wrath concerning the 144,000.

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

The nation of Israel gets the seal in there forehead at the Lords coming. How do we explain this being before the Lords coming in "glory"? Could this possibly fit into the period of tribulation? Read Matthew 24 notice how the Lord Jesus did not mention anything like this in what he descibes as tribulation.